12 Most Manly Reasons Men Need Other Men in Their Lives

12 Most Manly Reasons Men Need Other Men in Their Lives

As a dad advocate that means I’m also a man advocate. Years of doing “men’s work” have taught me much, but top of the list is the fact that men need other men in their lives. A great way to have men in your life is to be part of a men’s group. There are many kinds of men’s groups. After you’ve read and agreed with this list, go out and find one that is right for you.

The sad generality is that as men get older, have families, and get involved in their careers, they tend to allow their male friendships to drift. Or, they become friendships around carousing: poker games, trips to Vegas, golf, or other hobbies/sports. Do men get together and “Shoot the sh*t?” like women regularly do? You know the answer.

I’m a believer in the non-PC notion that men and women are built differently. Generally, women are better at maintaining relationships and caring – sometimes too much — about the emotional side of their families and themselves. As I also say when I discuss the differences between men and women, it’s those differences that can make us better. I learn from my wife and, hopefully, she learns from me. In a broader sense, this is an area where we men can learn something from the women.

1. Sometimes it’s best to air a problem before bringing it home

Given that men generally want to “fix it” that usually means a man will want to deal with a problem often in the heat of the moment. Reflection can’t hurt and talking to another man or the men in your men’s group will likely help you reframe your response.

2. Hello! It may not be about you

One of life’s great lessons is that it isn’t always about you. Yes, teenagers tend to only see the world through their own prism but even we adult men can believe the world revolves around us. Talking to other men may help in the realization that whatever problem you may have may have nothing to do with you.

3. Just taking the time to reach another man will give the problem perspective

Taking #1 and #2 a step further, it is often very helpful as it was in my men’s group, to air an issue/problem with “the men” and get a different perspective. In my men’s group we had a rule that we brought ANY problem to “the men” before acting on it… assuming, of course, that it could wait. Most problems can wait.

4. When a man is about to do something stupid — which is often — it’s good to have some checks and balances in place

The first four items on this list are really all variations on a theme. When a man is about to do something stupid, airing it before another man or men will usually give the stupid idea extra stupidity upon disclosure. I remember one man in my men’s group who wanted our permission to regularly go to strip clubs. When questioned about his sex life at home, he revealed that it was non-existent. He was summarily told to get his own house in order before considering ANY outside activities.

5. Truly, before you do something stupid…

Oh, you want more examples of the stupid things men can do? How about a half-dozen?

Infidelity
Gambling
Mid-life crisis Porsche
Mid-life crisis attempt at doing a triathlon or mudder
Quitting job due to ego reason
Drugs and alcohol abuse

6. Men need more help than women

Yes, it’s a gender generalization but women tend to reach out for help more readily than men do. Having good men in a man’s life — especially via a men’s group that has a good leader — gives the man without that wisdom to seek help a forum for when he does.

7. With just a little help from our friends

Too many men have too few male friends. Fix that.

8. Friends fade after divorce

Again, it’s a generalization, but men tend to lose more friends due to divorce than women do. My own experience was shocking in this regard. I knew my marriage was failing and I joined a men’s group several months before my wife and I separated. Those men became my lifesavers while my so-called friends from my marriage largely retreated.

9. The kids

Yes, dads are taking a more active role in parenting but, again, as with the earlier examples, men don’t tend to have those cliques of support that the moms have. Learning from other men who have experienced issues you may be facing with your children is just smart. Women do it all the time. Men need to do it more. The goal for both of us is to be the best dad or mom we can be. Asking for help is not a sign of weakness, but rather a sign of caring and desire to do the best job possible.

10. Men should leave their comfort zone and men’s groups help that happen

Human beings are creatures of habit and men probably fit that description more than women. Other men will help a man break bad habits, begin better behavior, and challenge a man to be the best husband, son, and man he can be.

11. Men need to learn to fix themselves rather than try to fix their women

Duh!? Like we men don’t need as much fixing as our women? Other good men — other men in a men’s group — will be brutally honest about what needs fixing. Your golf and drinking buddies won’t.

12. Maybe your wife should not be your best friend?

This may not be conventional thinking, but sometimes your wife should not be your best friend, your confidant. Maybe it’s better to discuss your feelings about “wandering” with another man rather than your wife? Maybe when your wife has gained a few pounds, telling her isn’t the right first move? Maybe when your wife has an emotional issue — due to menopause or her period — maybe you should just keep your mouth shut and simply hold and support her?

Too many men that are married with children are just not interacting with enough other men. Some men continue to have “girl friends” which I suggest is rarely a good idea unless that “girl friend” is well known to your wife and probably existed in your life prior to your marriage.

What would you say about these assertions?

Featured image courtesy of kasperbs via Creative Commons.

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Bruce Sallan

http://BruceSallan.com

Bruce gave up a quarter century career in showbiz to become a stay-at-home-dad. Those experiences fueled his desire to advocate on behalf of dads, the last remaining group it seemed everyone could disparage with impunity. He began writing a column, “A Dad’s Point-of-View” which is now carried in over 100 newspapers and web sites. Bruce’s first book, A Dad’s Point-of-View: We ARE Half the Equation is available at Amazon, iTunes, BN.com, and the store at BruceSallan.com. “The Bruce Sallan Show - A Dad’s Point-of-View,” Bruce’s one-hour radio show, is available anytime, via live stream, or to download for free on the Radio Show Page at BruceSallan.com. Find Bruce on Facebook by joining his A Dad’s Point-of-View Page. You can also follow Bruce at Twitter. Bruce hosts a TweetChat called #DadChat each Thursday from 6:00 – 7:00 p.m., PST.

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18 comments
weberdcom
weberdcom like.author.displayName 1 Like

Good observations.

The first sentence of the third paragraph is not penetrating my thick skull. I'm admittedly not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but my understanding is that Bruce is not just referring to physical or anatomical differences when he refers to men and women being built differently.

Accordingly, I began thinking hard about who specifically claims that men and women are NOT different in many ways that revolve not around physique or anatomy, but communication behavior, relationship-building, decision-making or emotion management...and I couldn't identify any person, group or credible thinkers of high profile who would adopt such a position.

As I said, I've always been the dumb one in the family, so I must be missing some notable information that's out there saying men and women are the same in virtually every way. All the stuff I encounter in books, magazines, documentaries, newspapers, research reports and more says they're different in countless ways. But Bruce seems to be AGREEING with those ideas that suggest men and women are different...yet when I read that sentence, I understand him to be saying that it is NOT common to think men and women are different.

Am I weird, or what?

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samfiorella
samfiorella

@deleted_2698155_BruceSallan1@weberdcom Sounds like you two need a mens group to hash this out.

weberdcom
weberdcom

 @samfiorella

 Shoot, I just came back here now, prompted by a notification in an email account. I wish I had come back sooner, to see what the deleted comment was, and who wrote it, before it was deleted.  I must have angered or annoyed someone.

Steve Birkett
Steve Birkett like.author.displayName 1 Like

All things I need to consider, with my little lad due soon and the prospect of a heavily impacted social life thereafter. I have good friends, male and female, but perhaps a structured group of fellas that meet regularly would be a helpful support environment. Thanks for the nudge, Bruce.

MensLifeCoach
MensLifeCoach like.author.displayName 1 Like

Right on, Bruce. That's why I've dedicated myself to creating men's groups, so men get the support they so desperately need to be the best men, fathers, and husbands they can be. In fact, we've founded a new non-profit called Connect the Men. We're launching in the fall of '12. We're creating a certification program, a mini-masters, if you will, so that there are certified men's group leaders in every neighborhood in North America. It's a grand vision, I know. But I truly believe the support, fathering, camaraderie, and ass-kicking we get from the men can be mean the difference between success and failure, happiness and depression, and sometimes even life and death. In the meantime, our BetterMen groups, both in So Cal and via the phone, are keeping quite a few men in their power by holding doubt and fear at bay, and allowing the men to be who they truly are. Keep spreading the word!

BruceSallan
BruceSallan

@MensLifeCoach Thanks Wayne...as you well know, I've learned MUCH from you! Looking forward to speaking with you in 45 minutes "Live" on my radio show as we do every Thursday for "The Men's Room" segment!

Faryna
Faryna like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'd like to improve upon DadInAction's wisdom: Better men make other men better.

Like he says, we need accountability, encouragement, practice tests, prudence, and friendship. In our pursuit of happiness and authenticity as much as to carry us back from beyond the enemy's line (and home) when we are broken.

That's why my buddy, Bruce, is right on. But can we do it online? That answer may not be obvious.

Stan

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DadInAction
DadInAction like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Love this post, Bruce. Men need accountability. We need encouragement. We need to be kicked in the teeth for screwing up and we need to be challenged. Men make other men better.

dbvickery
dbvickery like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

A very insightful post, Bruce. And I agree with all of it. Here is the catch: I do not do men's groups, and that is my own shortcoming. My wife is my best friend, I lift weights alone, and I rarely go out for drinks. I like watching my sporting events alone...part of that introvert thing.

Of course, I do tennis and judo, so I can get plenty of brother-time through that. Bump some chests, tap someone out, get thrown to the mat, get hit with a tennis ball when the opponent is trying to save you some money on surgery below the belt ;).

Otherwise, I kinda (really bad) chafe if sitting in a men's group. My wife @kfvickery (remember, the best friend) tells me perhaps I need to be there because I am a loving husband and father whose kids still love to be around him. I have hobbies and the financial house in order. I should be there as a role model!! But I lack the tremendous patience to mentor other men out of the holes they've dug themselves with item #5 above. I try to make up for this shortcoming by teaching/coaching...try to give folks healthy outlets.

BruceSallan
BruceSallan

@dbvickery@kfvickery I would suggest that you haven't found the RIGHT men's group, BV. Sometimes it just isn't best do discuss something - at first at least - with your wife!

DeniseWBarreto
DeniseWBarreto like.author.displayName 1 Like

I love these assertions and as a married woman - I'm handing this to my husband and tweeting to my tribe, all in hopes of spreading this great wisdom. Thanks Bruce. You clearly rock.

BruceSallan
BruceSallan

@DeniseWBarreto - Thx so very much, Denise...I hope you'll join #DadChat one Thursday as we discuss ALL these issues and more with moms and dads at 6:00 - 7:00 p.m., PST!

PegFitzpatrick
PegFitzpatrick moderator like.author.displayName 1 Like

I am a man advocate and a Bruce advocate.

Love your perspective on the world. parenting and life! #2 It may not be about you is universal and a good thing to remember.

Thanks for the thinking points.

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